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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.09.11 13:51:00 -
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While I love the focus on drones for the Exequror, is there going to be any change to the skill requirements for Repair Drones (specifically T2)? Also armor rep bots suck balls. They have to fly to the target and then wait until the end of the rep cycle before applying the reps. To put it another way if the Logi group lands 50km from the fleet (if I did may math correctly these have a max range of 60km) they to launch the drones, move them to the target for rep, and apply the rep you are looking at over 21 seconds for this to happen. Even at a range of 20km it will be over 12 seconds before the ship is repped.
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:01:00 -
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The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:
[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.
The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:00:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:new bonus
Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1)
Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3)
Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 80 (-40)
Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)
I will one up you:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster
Put the Warfare in Information Warfare. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:12:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:OP comes to mind tracking link bonus would be fine the module might get used outside of incursions then but you would need 6 mids prob on scythe to get tank prop and a couple of spares for tracking links then and add one to meds on exqueror
If we are talking about rebalance, I would actually like to explore other options. Just because the T2 versions have it doesn't mean that we need to keep it and/or mirror it to the T1. I would also like to argue for the demolishing of symmetry that is happening. Why create a armor/shield that is mirrored across the races? I would much rather the logis be more like the ECM where each race has their own unique use. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
149
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:33:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:
I will one up you:
50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster
Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.
No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_< That means no tracking link bonus either! The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time.
Oh yeah. I forgot that you can't put RSB's on any other ship and get within 40km of a SC. You totally need this change to have T1 cruisers be able to booster from 60km. How silly of me to forget this. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:CCP Fozzie why did you cut the PG for the Scythe and Osprey.
Osprey: Fittings: 425 PWG (-50)
Scythe: Fittings: 330 PWG (-95)
They are hard enough to fit as it is.
That is so you can't fit two LSE II's and all your reps/ETA's. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
149
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:11:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:CCP Fozzie why did you cut the PG for the Scythe and Osprey.
Osprey: Fittings: 425 PWG (-50)
Scythe: Fittings: 330 PWG (-95)
They are hard enough to fit as it is. That is so you can't fit two LSE II's and all your reps/ETA's. Link to Dev Post please, I could not find where he said that.
He didn't. That is what I am saying. The PG requirements for the MST2's have been cut in half (50 instead of 100). This means if they weren't reduced you could fit a much larger tank (a LSE2 only takes 124 pg and you are gaining 150 on the Scythe). |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
149
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:25:00 -
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*sigh* Another reason to remove armor tanking from the game. It has no place compared to shield tanking. Actually can we just remove armor and have shield + hull?
Bloodpetal wrote:This fit is horrible, it clearly needs Dual Large Ancillary Shield Boosters like my Oneiros does. Marcel Devereux wrote:The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:
[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.
The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies.
EDIT: The speed was without taking the Overdrive into account. Just All V and with a microwarp.
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
150
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:59:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.
Only a slap in the face? This was suppose to be more like a sweep-your-legs-out-from-under-you-then-stomp-you-in-the-face change. I guess Fozzie was using a slap to the face as a distraction for that. Hmm. Maybe you were moving too much. Please stand still. Go Fozzie Go!
As someone who has multiple characters with Logi V and all races cruisers trained, this is a welcome change. Getting new players/low skill point players into logi roles sooner without long skill trains is a good thing. Sorry you invested all those skillpoints in ships that will still be better. Can I haz your stuff? |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.10.18 16:36:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Part of the reason we've been announcing these ships so early is so that we can implement changes based on feedback we receive before release. Thanks to everyone who is putting work into breaking all of these ships and sharing their feedback. We've been seeing feedback for a while that we need to tighten up the fittings on some of the Support Cruisers and that blog illustrated one of the many examples of why.  The basic design still appears sound, but don't expect the exact fitting numbers to stay the same between now and release.
Fozzie bend your knee and bow to the might and greatness of Ripard Teg! You shall fix the Support Cruisers because he says so! He has defeated you with numbers and shiit. Get to steppin. |
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